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Sep 20, 2009

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Barnaby Dawson

Absolutely right in your rebuttals here.

Graham Glass

Thanks Barnaby!!

Baby Squid, Born Like Stars

Graham, look at this photo collection

http://www.bukisa.com/articles/156861_animals-that-live-by-the-hundredsthousandsmillions

There is data that jellyfish gather in formations of special order, direction, and spacing - how beautiful

http://bldgblog.blogspot.com/2007/04/of-jellyfish-loops-site-constraints-and.html

Also baby squid apparently can turn red or any color it sees without having a prior "experience" with it.

Tatiana

A.

Hello Mr Glass. I am just curious about something: Did you read Chalmers' sections about supervenience, reductionism and two-dimensional semantics? Those are very important if you want to get a full grasp of the rest of Chalmers' arguments. And I don't mean to be rude when I say that it seems as if you merely skimmed through them.

Let's look at your first rebuttal, for example. Now, Chalmers' argument from philosophical zombies look something like this:

Premise 1: If there are conceivable worlds where there are philosophical zombies, then there are also genuine possible worlds where there are philosophical zombies.
Premise 2: If there are genuine possible worlds where there are philosophical zombies, then mental properties do not strongly supervene on any neuro-physical properties of the brain.
Premise 3: If mental properties do not strongly supervene on any neuro-physical properties of the brain, then mental properties are not reducible to any such properties.
Premise 4: There are conceivable worlds where there are philosophical zombies.
Conclusion: Mental properties are not reducible to any neuro-physical properties of the brain. (From 1-4)

This argument is clearly valid, but is it sound? Well, Chalmers defends the first premise by way of his two-dimensional approach to semantics. Sections on this can be found in the book, but he has written many other papers on it as well. As I see it, his arguments on this point are rather convincing.

The second premise is generally accepted. To understand why, you might want to check out what exactly is meant by the term "reductionism" as well as "weak supervenience" and "strong supervenience." The third premise is also generally accepted. If one set of properties is reducible to another, then this entails that they are both strongly supervenient on one another (In order to get a really clear idea about what supervenience is, I recommend that you check out Jaegwon Kim's article "concepts of supervenience" and some of the discussions it has spawned). Now, if premise 4 is also correct, then the conclusion necessarily follows.

/ A.

PS: By the way, I'm sorry if my English is bad. It is not my mother tongue.

Graham Glass

Hi A.,

Thanks for your feedback!

As I stated in my rebuttal, I have a problem with Premise 1. If H (the hypothesis that consciousness is an emergent property of a mind with the physical structure of a human brain) is correct, then premise 1 is incorrect, and so his conclusion is also incorrect.

If his goal is to show that H is false, he cannot use a premise that assumes that H is false in the first place!

Cheers,
Graham

Graham Glass

Hi A,

Just to clarify my last post; if H is correct, then there is no conceivable world in which a philosophical zombie can exist.

Cheers,
Graham

Henry

Hello Graham

I don't agree with your views. The reason is this: If there are possible worlds that are exactly like ours in terms of their natural laws, but in which an exact physical duplicate of me is without consciousness, then that means that natural laws and physical properties are not enough to explain why something has a consciousness. In other words, something must be added to the picture of consciousness for it to make any sense. This certain something, Chalmers thinks, is consciousness itself which then must be viewed as something not reducible to natural laws and physical properties. I don't think you can escape these conclusions by simply saying that consciousness *happens* to be reducible to natural laws and physical properties (that is to say, in our world).

Graham Glass

Hi Henry,

Thanks for your comment.

I already addressed your point in the section "1. The logical possibility of zombies".

Cheers,
Graham

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